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Wow. So here comes an article written about illegals and their new plight. I wish I could feel bad for them, but…nope. I simply cannot. Illegal is illegal, folks, and it’s not as if they cannot do the right thing and become legal citizens of our great Nation. As you read this AP article, see how the writer seeks to pull at your heartstrings. It is compassion without discipline. It is the victim-mentality in all its glory. So be it. A line needed to be drawn in the Arizona sand, and rightly so. Now the illegals are going to other States to seek work.
Please to enjoy, and comment freely.
From AP via Yahoo:
PHOENIX – Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.
Arizona’s sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won’t take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state’s underground economy.
“Nobody wants to pick us up,” Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.
Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.
I realize this will sound harsh and heartless, but isn’t that the purpose of this Arizona Law? I mean, like I have said, illegal is illegal.
An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years as it cracked down on illegal immigration and its economy was especially hard hit by the Great Recession. A Department of Homeland Security report on illegal immigrants estimates Arizona’s illegal immigrant population peaked in 2008 at 560,000, and a year later dipped to 460,000.
The law’s supporters hope the departure of illegal immigrants will help dismantle part of the underground economy here and create jobs for thousands of legal residents in a state with a 9.6 percent unemployment rate.
Kavanagh says day labor is generally off the books, and that deprives the state of much-needed tax dollars. “We’ll never eliminate it, just like laws against street prostitution,” he says. “But we can greatly reduce the prevalence.”
Ah, one of the tangible issues of illegals and their working jobs here wihtout documentation: It robs States of their taxes. I figured the Democrats would be all over this, as they love to tax everything. Go figure.
Day laborers do jobs including construction, landscaping and household work for cash paid under the table. Those jobs have been harder to find since the housing industry collapsed here several years ago.
Standing near potted trees and bushes for sale at a Home Depot in east Phoenix, Diaz, 35, says he may follow three families in his neighborhood who moved to New Mexico because of the law. He says a friend is finding plenty of work in Dallas.
Diaz says he has too much to lose by staying — he’s supporting a wife and infant son back home in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, across the border from El Paso, Texas.
“They depend on me to survive,” he says. “I’m not going to wait for police to come and arrest me.”
Jose Armenta, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico’s western coast, is already planning to move to Utah within the next 20 days because of a combination of the economy and the new law.
“A lot of people drive by,” he says as he watched nearby cars speeding past, “and they yell, ‘Hey, go back to Mexico!’”
Analysts say it’s too soon to tell what lasting effects the law will have on the state’s underground work force, which also includes baby sitters, maids and cooks.
An interesting thought occurred to me here: Why doesn’t Mexico do more to make their economy stronger so folks would not risk arrest in order to feed their families? Is it our job as America, the greatest Nation on Earth, to feed Mexico? If so, when did that happen?
Some illegal immigrants, however, intended to stick around.
Natalia Garcia, 35, from Mexico City, says she and her husband — a day laborer — will stay so their daughters — both born in the U.S. — can get a good education and learn English. The couple have been living in Arizona illegally for the last 10 years.
“Mexico doesn’t have a lot of opportunities,” she says. “Here, we work honestly, and we have a better life.”
Olga Sanchez, 32, from southern Mexico, lives in Phoenix illegally with her two brothers, who are 21 and 17. While the youngest boy is in high school, all three work and send money back home to their parents.
“This law is very bad for us,” says Sanchez, who gets about $250 a week cleaning three houses. “I’m afraid of what’s going to happen.”
She says the family is going to wait and see if the law takes effect and what the fallout will be before deciding whether to leave. The law is certain to be challenged in court; Phoenix, Tucson and Flagstaff already are considering lawsuits.
“All I ask from God is a miracle for us to stay here and work,” she says.
I applaud Olga’s faith, indeed. And to respond to her words I would easily say that she and her husband can keep their family here, if they would simply become legal citizens. In doing so, she and her husband would be honoring our laws and, in doing so, show her obedience to God and her desire to live justly according to our laws. This is not rocket science here. Just follow the laws, Olga.
Simple enough, yes?
America in 2010 is made up of many, many immigrants from all corners of the world. My ancestors came to America through Ellis Island, many years ago, and have thrived ever since under the freedoms and liberties America affords its legal citizenry. That same privilege s still being offered today, even now.
America always has room for one more, as long as citizenship is done the right way. I have no animosity towards these illegals whatsoever. My heart breaks in that they cannot provide for their families in Mexico due to Mexico’s economy and poor leadership. But America is not to ever be their Santa Claus.
Go home. Then come back the right way. We’ll leave a light on for ya, I promise. If you persist in protesting as you have done and if you persist in living here illegally, do not expect compassion or understanding. The line has been drawn. Now it’s time for you illegals to do what you need to do, and moving away from Arizona to take up residence elsewhere on American soil is not the answer.
(Please note that the AP article I referenced has some videos worth watching!)
Gee, when I traveled through Europe I had to show my passport at every country border! So, why is it such a big deal here in America to show proof of citizenship? Az won’t be able to afford anymore free health care & education when Obamacare takes effect. That is because premiums will skyrocket & citizens will have to struggle to pay for their own heathcare. Well I think that Obama & his radical white house want the minority votes & also Obama is running our great America into the ground & doesn’t give a darn about our Constitution. As promised Obama is “Changing” America into a European Country, therefore he shouldn’t be against folks to show papers as is done in Europe. I am all for LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
the fact that the law passed is good,lives will be saved,crime will go down,Mexico needs to help there people but it is cheaper to dump the problems on the us,so why should they help there people more money for them.
Since the law went into effect, many illegal immigrates here are retaining lawyers to get their paperwork in order. While I agree that even lawyers deserve to make a living, some are price gouging people that arealready on the low end of the pay scale. I talked to an individual that paid $7000.00 USD to get his status in order before the law goes into affect by June. Is this fair to take advantage of these folks situation? I say there should be a follow up law propose to put a ceiling on how much an idividual can be charged to fix his immigration status, provided he/she is applying for legal citizenship. I agree that it is their fault they got themselve in this fix, but here is where our compassion can come in, and we don’t look like the bad guys. I think you will see more states doing this in the long run, until Washington reforms immigration once and for all.
[...] will be some bozos on the police force and yes, there are heart wrenching stories of people ‘living in the shadows‘. Some will be afraid to come forward when they need assistance for fear of deportation or [...]
Is it fair, is it fair, WTF is fair about illegals taking everything they make and not paying taxs along with sending most of there money to mexico? They use the emergancy room as a Dr office and pay nothing, Count the food stamps and rent assestance along with many other safty nets Americans set up to protect Americans then realize all the time they try to look like victoms There sneaking around like rats stelling from us and you feel sorry for them? Stop looking at the small few who are good people and look at the real picture. Go undercover and see the truth its a market and they are purposly undermining the USA and all its leagel peopels. You need to feel what way to many Americans have lived threw and loose your job, home, and everything you worked for to a few illegals then let us see how you talk. Do I want to see them hurt? NO but at the same time you can see they dont give a dam what they are doing to us and if you get hurt so what as they walk away with your waliet, hit and run your car, rob your home, rape and murder your daughter, Hey does anyone have a Mexican from Mexico news papper? By the way you all should read the Mexican laws on imagration and American rights in Mexico. Maybe you’ll grow up a bit when you see the truth.
At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
◦in the country legally;
◦have the means to sustain themselves economically;
◦not destined to be burdens on society;
◦of economic and social benefit to society;
◦of good character and have no criminal records; and
◦contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:
◦immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
◦foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
◦foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
◦foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
◦foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
◦those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens — and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Població® ¯r General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy.
It is an interesting law — and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.
If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.
We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [ 1 ] Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
◦Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
◦Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
◦Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
◦The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
◦Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
◦A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
◦A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
◦Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
◦Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
◦Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
◦Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
◦Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
◦”A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
◦Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
◦Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
◦A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
◦Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.
Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a model.
I am happy to hear they are headed elsewhere, we don’t need anymore bankrupting Califorina.
Funny how they say they send money to Mexico. Not a word or understanding of how they are stealing from the very country that is giving them the opportunity.
Reply to comment by FireRX — how can someone who is here illegally “get his papers in order” except by obtaining false documents? Please explain.
I have very little sympathy for people who came here illegally and now are incurring costs such as buying fake papers — that’s the price of doing illegal stuff.
Donald:
Right after this part of the AP article “Kavanagh says day labor is generally off the books, and that deprives the state of much-needed tax dollars. ”
you make the comment –
“Ah, one of the tangible issues of illegals and their working jobs here wihtout documentation: It robs States of their taxes. I figured the Democrats would be all over this, as they love to tax everything. Go figure.”
- in the snips of the AP post you provided, you must have accidentally omitted this key element.
“We want to drive day labor away,” says REPUBLICAN Rep. John Kavanagh, one of the law’s sponsors.
I know this doesn’t fit the “Republicans should take the credit for being strong and law abiding and Dems are money grubbing opportunists”, meme you were going for, but Kavanagh is a Republican.
well, GREAT! I guess they’ll be heading over to New York over the next few months…It’s the free-ride (unless you’ve actually earned it) capital!!!!!
Illegal immigrants do not steal from the state, that’s a myth! To the contrary:
1). all the businesses that have closed down (catering to them), will no longer pay state taxes, employment taxes, etc.
2). Apartments are being vacated–costs: city and state taxes again.
3). Purchases of vehicles, (include all high ticket items), plus registration fees: state looses again.
4). Food–lost taxes.
5). Clothing stores sales taxes lost.
6). Furniture, Jewelery, Entertainment, Restaurants, Leisure activities, etc.
In addition::
1). Did you know that the state makes millions of dollars from the Fed Gov’t when the body counts are turned in to the Census Bureau? I believe it’s like $7,000 per person.
2). The Fed Gov’t keeps millions of dollars from illegal workers who don’t claim 1040 taxes.
3). Schools gets millions of dollars on head counts—Elementary to H.S. reap the benefits.
Should I continue?
……….I must add:
I do not favor illegal immigration, the U.S., just like Mexico and any other country in the world must protect their borders. But, the problem lies in the deficiency of the Fed Gov’t in establishing a Make-Sense Immigration Reform.
Many of the low skill workers are needed for the U.S. economy to function propertly Farming, Poultry, Construction, Hospitality Industry, Landscaping—unfortunately, every single business, and private citizen are affected through a chain effect reaction—-Let’s be honest with ourselves………who really wants those low paying jobs? Who are we kidding?
I live in Metro Phoenix, Arizona, where the temperature averages 110 in Summer–who else will jump on these jobs mentioned?
OOPPPSSS, forgot to mention the biggest benefit of taxes to the State and other government entities!
REALESTATE TAXES………….Mega Millions!
The city, county or state governments never asked if the the payors were illegal immigrants!
Dear Jessie,I don’t have alot of time to post my comments today,but it is people like you who will justify illegals being here.You site, “how much money the government is losing”,what about the American citizens?For example,the second largest import to Mexico is illegal money sent there by illegals,243 billion dollars a year,that is enough money to allow the car companies to re-tool and move forward with alt. energy vehicles,in just 1 year.600 million a year to take care of illegals,food,housing,education,transportation,health care,etc…Don’t forget the crime,the driving down of wages,property values,refusal to integrate themselves into American society,becuase they are illegal.Our government is spending up to a trillion a YEAR taking care of poeple who didn’t come here legally,wouldn’t you like some of that spent on you?O.K. Jessie try and go to any other country illegally and see how far you get.You will go directly to jail,and good luck getting out.It is simply not tolerated,it is a crime and is treated as such.I don’t get it.APATHY IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
Go Arizona!!!!! STAY STRONG and don’t let the illegal’s take over your state. I am 1000% behind ALL US states that follow Arizona new immigration law. Enough is enough!!!!! The United States is FINALLY fed up with you crying illegal Mexicans. First of all ….NO ONE IS RACIST ….we the people of the United States DO NOT want our country (as any other country would) flooded with ILLEGAL persons with some entering with a FELONY or a MURDER background …..some with a VIOLENT GANG MEMBERS associations or even a TERRORIST. etc. ANY illegal person that enters a country illegally DOES NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS that the citizens of that same country have. Secondly – we United States citizens don’t want the United States overtaken by illegal persons of any race south or north of the United States border and by persons who do not care about the USA government and culture or wish to properly learn and understand the English language. All LEGALLY (or otherwise) entering immigrants should appreciate and respect the United States culture and history and celebrate the fourth of July and NOT “Cinco de Mayo” within the USA. Celebrate “Cinco de Mayo” within MEXICO. If you want to come to the United States ….well then behave and live like a United States citizen and respect our laws and our people. And with many Mexicans believing that the USA was stolen from them hundreds of years ago; that’s what the illegal Mexican agenda is really all about – to take back the USA. Well I got news for ya …..sorry Mexico it WILL NOT HAPPEN. We USA legal citizens MUST do something to control our OUT-OF-CONTROL country borders. If the Mexican community in Mexico (or elsewhere) wish to enter the USA …enter LEGALLY just as everyone else has to do …that’s the LAW and there are NO exceptions to this rule. If you do not like our laws …STAY in Mexico …it’s just as simple as that. Don’t dictate to the United States on how we should run and enforce our country laws. The illegal Mexican people currently residing in the United States and those protesting should turn their disputes and energies toward the Mexican government on creating a better and stronger Mexican government so that Mexican citizens would not have to leave Mexico to come to the USA. This is NOT Racism so quit calling it that …..It’s ILLEGALISM ….meaning: the on-going violation, neglect and disrespect of the United States Federal Laws and our citizens. If YOU DO NOT LIKE THE UNITED STATES AND OUR LAWS LEAVE and don’t let the door hit you on the way out! You want RIGHTS ….Your RIGHTS are in MEXICO. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAY THEIR! Well MEXICO ….the United States citizens is TIRED of your bull and excuses.
And if our present US Government officials attempt to try to pass ANY NEW immigration reform laws to keep illegal immigrants here under ANY conditions – this amendment should be included within the NEW immigration reform bill: ALL illegal Mexicans or otherwise in order to become a United States citizen MUST actively serve four years or more in the US Military over in Iraq or Afghanistan, etc., in order to prove your United States patronage (males and females). NOTE: ALL entering illegal immigrants can start today by going here to immediately sign-up: army.mil/
WELCOME TO NEW AMERICA AMIGO!!!!!
ENTER THE USA LEGALLY JUST AS ALL IMMIGRANTS HAVE TO DO AND YOU WILL BE WELCOMED TO THE UNITED STATES BY EVERYONE. BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE FINALLY FED UP WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND THE CORRUPT UNITED STATES POLITICIANS WHO SUPPORT IT JUST TO GAIN A VOTE! Your problem is Mexico NOT the USA. SO GET OUT and GET OUT NOW UNLESS YOU WISH TO IMMIGRATE LEGALLY!
AJ
Black American
Las Vegas, NV
This to inform you of a person living and working in the United States illegally.The names that this person assumes are as follows: Gabriela Sanchez (her niece), Karla P. Durazo (her aunt), Patty Durazo (her sister),Julieta Sanchez (her aunt), Patty/Patricia Sanchez (her sister/her niece) Rocio Sanchez (her sister), Mayra Viramontes (her cousin), Karen Durazo (her cousin),Kenya Durazo (her cousin), Karina Sanchez (her cousin). All of the names assumed by her can be substantiated through her facebook account which is under the name Gabby Sanchez. Her Employer (who is married to Elona Shaw) whom she is having an affair with is: Dr. Larry Stark 3201 W. Peoria Ave # A-100 Phoenix, AZ 85029. Her assumed Social Security # is her Aunt’s Soc. Sec. # 611-32-7757 (Karla P.Durazo) who actually lives in California. The birthdates used May 17, 1968 & March 26, 1972 etc… She drives a pathfinder with AZ lic. # AHT4587. Her address is: 2220 W. Mission Ln. #1095 Phoenix, AZ 85017 SRP Acct # 919-863-000 Her Phone #602-628-3116 (All compliments of Dr. Larry Stark including Breast implants, plastic surgery, Full Medical & Dental, Gym membership etc…). This young woman makes it easier for other illegals to obtain medications including narcotics and evade citizenship tests through the Doctors office that she works in. Also supplying them with false identification and documentation. I am very concerned about the illegal activities (Document Fraud, Identity Theft,Conducting crimes in America) that she is involved in. Please address the above issues as soon as possible.
Concerned Citizen
Gabriela Sanchez of Phoenix is not only here illegally as i just said above. But she continues to change her alias’s. She most recently goes by the name Gabby Vega which is also substantiated through facebook. And online under Body by Kotoske. She is still having an affair with Dr. Larry Stark whom is married to Elona Shaw. Why does a married man & Doctor that has a great practice want to get involved with a trashy illegal that doesn’t even reflect his caliber of woman. He tries to make her that by buying breast implants, paying for the gym, botox, jewelry, clothes, perfume etc… She is a FAKE! She is a GREASY MEXICAN! So trashy and low rent. Never will be a woman you can carry on your arm with pride! Send her back to Mexico!!!!
I’m pretty sure the previous poster doesn’t know what he’s talking about, lol. Anyways, good article and hope to read more like it soon. Hope you ahve a great holiday.